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Rain Gryphon ([personal profile] rain_gryphon) wrote2013-07-14 08:18 pm

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So, Mark O'Mara finally points out the elephant in the room - if George Zimmerman were black, he'd never have been charged with a crime. Everyone keeps tiptoeing around that simple, obvious truth.

[identity profile] jordan179.livejournal.com 2013-07-15 06:54 pm (UTC)(link)
And, again, since you didn't respond the first time:

How did Zimmerman start the fight? The only injuries discovered were the bullet wound which killed Martin, bruises to Martin's knuckles, and the injuries Zimmerman received from the beating Martin administered him.

The only possible scenarios I see under which Zimmerman is guilty are:

(1) Zimmerman committed assault and battery by grabbing or pushing Martin (but not very hard, as no marks were left on Martin) and then Martin fought back but was shot after inflicting some damage on Zimmerman, or

(2) Zimmerman committed simple assault by credibly threatening Martin, then Martin defended himself, but was shot after inflicting some damage on Zimmerman.

The problem is that there is no actual evidence (direct or circumstantial) that Zimmerman started the fight. There is a lot of (circumstantial) evidence that Martin started the fight.

Can you answer me this time, or will your silence or evasive answer prove that you don't really have a logical argument?

What is your theory as to what actually happened?

[identity profile] terrycloth.livejournal.com 2013-07-15 08:13 pm (UTC)(link)
What I've read on the case is that the physical evidence was consistent with Martin 'defending himself' and not with Zimmerman 'being held down and beaten'. Martin was already afraid for his life before Zimmerman approached him. Zimmerman was told not to initiate a confrontation and did it anyway.This is what the evidence says. Zimmerman's witness that claimed to see Martin standing over him was discredited.

I don't know who 'threw the first punch' but I find it very hard to believe that Zimmerman restricted himself to verbal taunting and more to the point *as I said before* it doesn't matter. Zimmerman started the fight by any reasonable interpretation of the situation. If Martin had had the gun it would have been a straightforward case of self defense and he probably still would have gone to prison anyway because he was black in a white neighborhood and that's what happens *all the time*.