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[rain_gryphon]

So, the mean global temperature hasn't changed for the past 15 years, and the Antarctic ice cap is at its greatest extent since 1979. Obviously, global warming is about to kill us all.

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Creation Scientists can and do manage 110% certainty with their evidence, yet Climate Change Scientists can manage only 95% certainty on similarly compelling evidence.

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[arcturax.livejournal.com]

Not sure in what universe creationists have 110% certainty other than in their heads. Far as I can see there is no evidence that the christian bible explains formation of the universe at all. The story is ludicrous on its face and there is so much that throws a wrench in that story. I'd always wondered why some christians went so balls to the wall against Darwin when I realized that it is because he maybe more than anyone throws a big wrench in chapter 1 page 1 of their book. But so does astronomy, geology and a raft of other sciences. I guess Darwin gets most of the attention, but he isn't by far the only scientist or theory that steps on the neck of the chapter of Genesis. My biggest problem with it is that it is totally earth centric in a universe that clearly does not include us at the center either geographically speaking or central to its operation.

Aside from all the NASA pictures I've seen, I've personally taken many photos deep into space and to think that something as Earth centric as the story of genesis could even possibly be true just seems crazy. The number of stars in my photos are staggering and I'm only able to reach out as far as about 5K lightyears maximum (except some globular clusters which are bright enough to shine further) and to think that at least one of the 400 billion points of light in just our galaxy isn't as special or maybe even more so than Earth just seems a statistical impossibility.

Kepler space telescope data also suggests that there are almost certainly other planets with life sustaining conditions. Interestingly the average star size and temperature for planet formation is very close to our suns characteristics. This suggests that we really aren't some special thing singled out by some deity at all but just one of many worlds that probably exist out there with survivable conditions. So does each one get a 7 day creation? Clearly all were not made at once since stars vary widely in ages by billions of years. I hope I live to see the discovery of life outside of our solar system, contact made and these people to say, "Jesus who?", if nothing else to see how they try to spin their way out of that one.

So sadly for "Creation scientists" things are only going to get worse for them, not better as we keep discovering more things. But hey, if they want to claim 110% certainty, sure but to those of us in the know, that certainty is simply blind faith being used to try to twist their "Findings" into reality. The fact that climate scientists aren't at 100% certainty suggests they live more in the real world. Is anything perfect? Do we know anything perfectly? Science is an evolving field. Models are made and either stand the test of time or get broken. Obviously climate people have more work to do, not just say, "well there done. Ignore any aberrations". Real scientists admit when things are not going their way and re-evaluate their beliefs. Creationists think they already know the answer and simply put spin on things to try to make them fit their pre-made conclusions. Not saying all climate scientists don't sometimes fall into that trap too, but the process will discredit them over time.

[xolo.livejournal.com]

Ya know... Comparing 'Global Warming Science' to 'Creation Science' wasn't intended to be complimentary to either of them.

That being said, the creationists still have a pretty cool-looking museum, with dinosaurs and cavemen and such.

[terrycloth.livejournal.com]

Well, I looked this up (the temperature stuff at least), and wow. 1998 was a *massive* outlier (according to the site associated with the graph with the most up to date data, it was the famous 'El Nino' year), but it's really, really obviously a random spike just looking at any graph.

It is possible that temperature has peaked (it's been stable-ish for 5 or so years, although going up steadily if you go back as far as 15) but there's no real reason to think so looking at the rest of the trend, which is full of similar patches.